The 29th April is always a sombre day for me. Sixteen years ago today (29th April 2003), I was talking to a friend of mine ‘Dom’, about a new business adventure she was starting. I was eating a cake, a sample that she had brought me to taste. Dom came to pay for a flight I had sorted out for her. She had been to France to see her family and when she wanted to return from Paris, she’d call, I’d book the flight, and we’d settle once she had arrived. We chatted, I told her the cake was delicious and then we said our goodbyes. It must have been about 11am. ‘See you later’ I think I said to her. I wouldn’t though, in fact I never saw her alive again.
I had known Dominique (Dom) for about six years. Like many from Western Europe trying to find their way in Tel Aviv, Dom was part of the tourist crowd. A few hostels and pubs littered the Ben Yehuda, Allenby area and were full of working travellers. Thousands of young Europeans gravitated towards Tel Aviv’s Mediterranean shore. The hostels supplied the work, the pubs the recreation. Dom had been part of the scenery for a long time. I had first met her in the late 1990’s and if I remember rightly, at the time she worked in a launderette that doubled as a billiard/pool hall. We had been in touch ever since. Dominique was extremely popular and since I had my own tourism related business, Dominique was always sending me new customers.
Dom, the Buzz Stop and Mike’s Place
Dom worked for a while at a beachfront pub called the ‘Buzz Stop’. Originally sited near the ‘dolphinarium’ on the Southern beaches of Tel Aviv, the owner Eli, eventually moved it to the centre of town, near what was then the American Embassy. In 2001 another pub opened next door -a live blues music bar called Mike’s Place. Dominique switched from working at the Buzz Stop to Mike’s Place. She worked at Mike’s Place from the day that it opened. I frequented both. They were my local hang-outs and I knew most of the regulars.
The 29th April 2003 arrived and the second Intifada was still going strong. In January there had been a massacre in Tel Aviv’s Central Bus Station – a double suicide bombing. March saw a suicide bomb massacre in Haifa and another bombing in Netanya. In April Kfar Saba was the target of a suicide bombing. There were going to be four additional suicide bombings in May.
But Mike’s place was a pub on a beach front and full of tourists. It was a world away from the conflict. The evening of the 29th had been busy. It was Tuesday night- ‘Jam night’ for the Blues bar and everyone inside was having fun. Yet just a few hundred yards away in Hayarkon Street, two men were busy getting ready to kill.
The bomb at Mike’s Place
At about 00:45 on 30th April, two men approached Mike’s Place. The security guard Avi Tabib became suspicious and approached them. There was a struggle at the entrance. Then came the ‘Allahu Akbar’, then the explosion. We don’t know how many people Avi Tabib saved by tackling the suicide bomber at the entrance. The explosion injured over fifty people, including Avi Tabib. It killed three.
Dom wasn’t killed instantly, but she was badly injured. I believe she lost a limb in the blast and was still hanging on as she was taken away in the ambulance. She died on the operating table in the nearby hospital. Two others, Ran Baron and Yanai Weiss were also killed. I got the call at about 1:45am, about an hour after the blast. ‘There’s been an attack’ I was told, ‘Mike’s Place has been hit’. Initially I was informed Dominque was hurt but had survived. That tragic news came a couple of hours later. I got dressed and went down to the site. It isn’t the only time I have witnessed the aftermath of a suicide bombing. You never forget – sights, sounds and smells that are seared into your memory.
The bombers
The explosive device of the second bomber failed to detonate and he fled the scene. Later he turned up at the David Intercontinental Hotel and struggled with the security guard before running away. Then he disappeared. His body washed up on the beach about two weeks later. There is an assumption that he had been injured when his explosive device did not detonate properly.
These two terrorists were not from Gaza or the West Bank. They were not Palestinians. The bomber that killed Dom, Ran and Yanai was Asif Mohammed Hanif. He was from Hounslow in West London. The second terrorist Omar Khan Sharif was from Derby. These two terrorists were brought up and educated in the United Kingdom. They travelled to Israel because they wanted to kill Jews. Some say the terrorists met each other in Damascus where one went to study. It is there they are said to have been ‘radicalised’. Others say it happened online.
After making plans back in the UK, they crossed into Israel from Jordan on April 12. They visited Hebron on the 14th before spending five days in Gaza. They spent a night in Jerusalem, before staying a night in Tel Aviv on the 21st, probably to decide on their target. Then they visited Ramallah and Nablus before returning to Gaza on the 24th. Another five days in Gaza. They crossed from Gaza back into Israel on 29th April 2003 just a few hours before the attack. Probably around the same time I was telling Dominique I would ‘see her later’.
The hostel
The terrorists checked into Hayarkon 48 Hostel in Tel Aviv. That part is my fault. The terrorists had used the Lonely Planet book as a guide. When the guide book author was in Israel writing the latest version, I had helped her throughout her stay. Hayarkon Hostel only opened after she left. I promised the owners I would try and get them included. I wrote, I argued I made my case. Hayarkon 48 was added to the guide – without the author ever visiting it- and the terrorists chose to stay there. It was in their room at the hostel that they made their final preparations.
Both Hamas and the Islamic Jihad claimed responsibility for the attack.
The Brits and Hamas
These are the two British terrorists: 
Both Asif Mohammed Hanif and Omar khan Sharif have bios on the Al-Qassam website. The website of the military arm of Hamas. On another page of their website are numerous images of the two standing alongside Hamas emblems. The title of the page reads ‘images of the martyrs’. These two British terrorists even prepared a Hamas martyrs video.
The ‘silent left’
Aside from the two terrorists being British born and educated, there is another deeply disturbing element to the Mike’s Place story. The terrorists travelled under the umbrella of left-wing activists. Everywhere they went they stayed with activists and used them as cover. They met with members of the International Solidarity Movement (ISM). Italian journalists had helped them move around the country.
One specific female journalist had taken them into Gaza and brought them back in her car into Israel. The presence of the journalist gave legitimacy to the terrorists and they passed the security checks. Dozens of people ‘of the humanitarian left’ had been in contact with these two terrorists. Not one contacted the authorities after the bombing. Not one. Even after some had realised that they had had made contact with the terrorists and knew some of the hidden details of their journey – nobody saw fit to contact the Israeli authorities. Not even the journalist who had driven them around.
Until the Italian journalist had transported two British terrorists with their bombs across the Gaza border to commit their attack, Israel was lax with journalist movements into and out of Gaza. When people talk about press freedom and access to Gaza, it is worth remembering why that changed and the silence of the journalist that helped the bombers move around.
Aftermath
There was a documentary team making a story about Mike’s Place before the attack. They got footage and a story they never expected. Following the bombing they made award winning documentary film called ‘Blues by the Beach‘. The filmmakers also published a graphic novel:
This is Hamas and this is radical Islamic terrorism. The same terrorism that strikes in London, Paris, New York, Columbo, Nairobi, Cairo and anywhere else they manage to detonate their bombs. Terrorism that deliberately destroys lives. When people knowingly align with Hamas, when they call them ‘friends’, when they say ‘Kaddish‘ for Hamas terrorists – there is no excusing or forgiving such a loss of ethical direction. Even today, Hamas have martyr pages for these terrorists. People who wanted to kill civilians in pubs.
This wasn’t the only time that someone I knew was killed by terrorists in Israel, but Dominique was part of my world. In an obscene twist, so were the terrorists. Because it took place shortly after midnight, most of those involved in the attack recognised the 30th April as the anniversary. For me it will always be the 29th. That was the last time I saw Dominique Haas smile.
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Powerful sentiments, well written David. Tragically, a story shared by so many of us here, many far too young to have experienced such loss. Very fitting tribute to your friend.
56 hours before Yom Hashoah a powerful reminder of why Israel takes security measures and of the risks the country faces every minute of every day
David do you know anyone that says kaddish for Hamas terrorists ?
This was a stunt performed by certain Jews in the UK on May 19th 2018, nearly a year ago. I won’t post a link; I don’t know if this setup supports doing so. Instead here is a brief quote from a Jerusalem Post article on the event: “In London, a group of young Jews assembled outside parliament to recite the kaddish prayer for the Hamas terrorists who were killed while attacking the fence in the most violent riots on May 15.” You can find more easily, I’m sure.
“In London, a group of young Jews assembled outside parliament to recite the kaddish prayer for the Hamas terrorists who were killed ….”
The Jerusalem Post(surprise) calls those shot “terrorists”. Hamas called the majority of them “members”
David clearly admits that to be a Hamas member doesn’t mean that they are “terrorists by his “The website of the military arm of Hamas. ” Hamas does of course have other wings.
They were shot on their own land while presenting no serious threat to the heavily armed, heavily dug in Israeli firing-squads.
Dear Mike,
Trolling . . . . . . again?
Asinine, inane, . . . . . . Again!
Tweedle Dum & Tweedle Dee
Stephen & Mike
or
Mike & Stephen
You’re upset …. and obviously stuck for rational thought and arguments.
Can tell.
Sharmuta, You’re upset that the Israelis aren’t the unarmed Jews of WW2.
Can tell.
P.S. Offer yourself as a Human Shield for Ham-Ass.
Too old, Ted. IDF uses young ‘uns when they go in.
Your Pal-e-STINIAN “children” have beards and AK47’s.
They are as much “children” as you are.
Happy Nakba Fascist Hag!
“The website of the militmary arm of Hamas.”
“When people knowingly align with Hamas, when they call them ‘friends’, when they say ‘Kaddish’ for Hamas terrorists – there is no excusing or forgiving such an ethical loss of direction.”
J
The second sentence, an obvious attempt to smear Jeremy Corbyn, is another of David’s deceitful fabrication. When many Gazan protestors were shot dead by over zealous Israeli firing-squads at the fence(or perhaps by their leaders telling them that those on the other side of the fence are your enemies;man, women and child) some Jews in Britain said kaddish for those slain by Israel.
David berated them fiercely insulting both those praying and the victims.
The first sentence reveals that David knows full well that the dead that he maligned didn’t deserve their fate. Like Israel, Hamas has political, governmental and military wings.
The usual dishonest hasbara from Mr. Collier.
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You’ll like this one from Frankie Boyle’s new series Mike.
“Easter; a time loved by Corbyn & the Labour Party. A time to reconnect with their core values of toleration and compassion. Oh, and a Jew dies.”
He’s funny is Frankie.
So, that’s David’s next earner. An anti-Irish fantasy.
p.s. Jesus was/is a Christian.
You’ll have to take that one up with Ilhan Omar. She wants you to believe that he was a “palestinian”.
It WAS Judea Palestina by that time … still a Christian.
So, in the Gospel according to Mike, Frankie Boyle is Irish, Jesus was a Palestinian and ‘Hitler didn’t kill no fuckin’ Jews’.
This “Bellers ‘n Mike’s best bits” is really starting to come together.
Please don’t stop guys. This is gold.
Naw. Said none of those.
Can you confirm, Ian.
Ooh Mike, yer big “pants on fire” you!
Quotes, please.
“Mike Farmer”.
Happy now Sharmuta?
“It WAS Judea Palestina by that time..”
Wrong. It was re-named Syria Palestina by the Emperor Hadrian approx. 100 years AFTER the crucifixion of Jesus.
Try reading the gospels in the New Testament to read how Jesus described himself, and who correctly were described as the first Christians.
It WAS Judea Palestina 5th Century BC.
“It WAS Judea Palestina 5th Century BC.”
IF your claim is correct, which I do not believe it is. Then you will not have any problem in citing credible historical sources which support your erroneous claim.
Of course your other option is to admit, or demonstrate by failing to provide credible sources, that you are wrong.
Research it, Gerald. I am correct.
I have and you are WRONG
As you have failed to provide credible sources for your erroneous claim, I take it that you are unable to.
If you HAVE researched it successfully then you know that I am correct, Gerald.
Farmer which part of the sentence, “I have and you are WRONG.” do you not understand?
I am lucky to live in a city with a number of good libraries, bookshops and archives. I have researched it and, again, you are without any doubt WRONG.
Emperor Hadrian renamed JUDEA & SAMARIA to Palaestina i 132 because like you, he was an antisemite who wanted to erase Jewish istory.
JESUS was a JEW from JUDEA!
Suck it up & shut up Mikey!
Jesus was born in Judea-PALESTINIAN with Judaism as his faith but became a Christian (the first) before his death, Benny.
Your persistence in self-delusion and ignorance is shameful but not surprising.
Jesus did not and could not become a Christian before his death.
Again, as above, study the New Testament and you will find out who the first Christians were. Jesus definitely was not, nor was it ever prophesised that he would be, the first Christian.
If you know better then cite Chapter and Verse, otherwise to quote the wise words above of Judah Ben Zion “Suck it up & shut up Mikey!”
He rejected the Scribes and Pharisees of Judaism and struck a new path after which no high priest was needed, contact with God was via the Holy Spirit.
Still unable to back up your completely erroneous claims.
Your constant repetition of phrases you clearly don’t understand and failure to provide any credible sources to back up your claims only further proves that you are an empty vessel full of nothing more than hot, noxious wind.
Keep wishing to be correct, Gerald.
Keep failing to provide any credible sources to back up your erroneous claims.
Farmer that fluttering you can hear is the sound of your credibility flying out of the window.
In the 330s BCE, Alexander the Great conquered the Achaemenid Empire, including Palestine, which changed hands numerous times during the wars of his successors, until the Seleucid Empire gained its control between 219 and 200 BCE. In 116 BCE, the Jewish Hasmoneans took their independence from the Seleucids, but their kingdom progressively became a vassal of Rome, which finally annexed Palestine, and created the province of Judea in 6 BCE.
Farmer I asked for credible sources. Not a copy and paste job from an unknown source. A source by the way that is littered with inaccuracies.
Name the tree that you are picking this poisoned fruit from.
Farmer really!
The name of the tree you copied and pasted your poisoned fruit from is the Wikipedia article, entitled ‘History of Palestine’
If you genuinely believe that Wikipedia is a credible historical source then you are either, a) ignorant, b) stupid, or c) a liar who is desperately looking for something to support his lies with.
Which is it Farmer are you a, or b, or c, or a combination of all three
Wiki is as credible as anything that you hàve produced to counter my claim, Gerald.
Farmer you have failed miserably to provide any credible sources to support your erroneous claims.
All you have demonstrated is that the answer to my question is that incontrovertibly you are a combination of a, b, and c.
Posthumously, Benny? Lol.
Sent shivers down my spine
Just got back from Pessach in Israel
The first night was with a family that originally had three children.
But there are only two now.
Thanks to that wonderful humanitarian streak that is present in certain sections of the Palestinian people, there are only two now.
The story
During the second intifada two of the three children (then teenagers) went seperately with their respective friends to the same restaurant
During the evening, displaying that wonderful munificense of character that is displayed in some sections of Palestinian society, a Palestinian walked in and detonated his ‘suicide belt’.
And then there were dead Jews; and in certain quarters of the world there was jubilation and celebration.
One of the teenage siblings was killed and the other injured.
The injured sibling lost a friend
First night Passover is also the anniversary of the Park Hotel mass murder of Jews ceebrating a Jewish religous holiday
Thirty dead Jews and dozens of Jews injured while celebrating a Jewish holy day; and in certain parts of the world there was jubilation and celebration.
All of the dead and injured in both cases were civilians
And so life continues
Wonder what type of pusillanimous, nasty and vacuous commentary Mike Farmer will be able to squeeze out of the above
….. and Israel doesn’t kill more Palestinian children than Israeli children are killed by thd Palestinians?
Oh look! Another B-L-0-O-D L-I-B-E-L from an antisemitic moronic troll whose sad life only includes trolling & insulting Jews . . . . .
?
Blood-libel? More illogical neurosis when faced with a FACT.
Libel indeed. Lol.
Sharmuta, Here’s a FACT.
Islam is at War with the ENTIRE world.
InFACTMuslims kill more Muslims that anyone else.
See 500,000+ dead in Syria, the 1,000,000+ dead in the 1980-1988 year Iraq/Facist Iran War.
Sadaams poison gas, a WMD, attack on Halajba Iraq.
ISIS beheading captives.
Your ASSad using poison gas on his own people.
Sharmuta, I’m telling your family that you have dishonoured the family. Your male family member know how to deal with you.
And you are a Jew hating racist bigot who is always trying to compare chalk and cheese
You need to climb down your hole and spend more time with your friends that enjoy attacking Synagogues and killing praying Jews.
Incidently, Jews don’t walk into hotels, restaurants, buses, schools and Synagoges and detonate bombs with the express intention of killing civilians like some of your Palestinian friends do.
Baruch Goldstein, who massacred Muslims in a mosque?
In a pamphlet titled Baruch HaGever published in 1994, and a book of the same name in 1995, various rabbis praised Goldstein’s action as a pre-emptive strike in response to Hamas threats of a pogrom, and wrote that it is possible to view his act as following five Halachic principles.
Wiki – ‘The phenomenon of the adoration of Goldstein’s tomb persisted for years, despite Israeli government efforts to crack down on those making pilgrimage to Goldstein’s grave site. The grave’s epitaph said that Goldstein “gave his life for the people of Israel, its Torah and land”. In 1999, after the passing of Israeli legislation outlawing monuments to terrorists, the Israeli army acted to dismantle the shrine that had been built to Goldstein at the site of his interment. In the years after the dismantling of the shrine, radical Jewish settlers would celebrate Purim by invoking the memory of the massacre, sometimes even dressing up themselves or their children to look like Goldstein.’
Chalk and Cheese? You are deluded, Richard …. or dishonest.
This is what antisemites do: they take one violent episode – WHICH WAS CONDEMNED UNIVERSALLY BY ALL ISRAELIS – & pretends this is typical of what Jews do!
This is the sad, pathetic, antisemitic Mike Farmer, King of the Trolls!
After rejecting UNGA Partition Plan in 1947:The Arab League’s secretary-general, Azzam Pasha, promised it would be “a war of extermination and a momentous massacre which will be spoken of like the Mongolian massacres and the Crusades.”
True to their word, 7 Arab Armies illegally invaded nascent Israel – but failed to murder 600,000 Jews & were humiliated. They tried again1952, 1967 & 1973. HUMILIATED BY JEWS!
So, they decided to try TERRORISM. Pres Clinton blamed Arafat for rejecting another peace offer i 2000 & starting the 2nd Intifada which led to the murder of 1100 Jews!
Not only are you a antisemitic troll, you are an ignorant antisemitic troll. Arabs murdered Jews in 7th Century, invaded, occupied & colonised the ME & have been killing Jews ever since.
Let’s take a “normal” Ara-Palestinian family. 2 cousins, illegally entered the home of the Fogel family. Slit the parents throats, decapitated 3 month Hadas (they didn’t like her crying) & slit the throats of 2 brothers, who were under the age of 10yrs. They boasted ad they known there were 2 other children next door, they would have slaughtered them too!\
Or the young Palestinian, who murdered a pregnant mother in er own home, unable to remove the knife, ran home & watched a movie with his family.
Or, the murderer who stabbed 13 yr old Hallel asleep in her bed. Or, the killers who murdered Jews praying in a synagogue i Har Nof. Or the family slaughtered when they tried to help someone who they thought had broken down. Or the brutal murder of an American, Christine, slaughtered as she & Kay were walking in a forest. Or the baby who was thrown 10 feet in the air when a cowardly murdering terrorist ran his car into a queue.
Israelis have a duty to protect its citizens from Hamas murderers. Only antisemitic liars like you object!
Crawl back into your sewer.
The murders are heinous. Israelis have murdered hundreds of Palestinian children in a far more modern fashion; tank shells and airpower, probably supplied by their backer America …. FREE.
ALL deaths are regrettable. Jewish ones are no more to be condemned than Palestinian ones.
Sharmuta, not all deaths are equal.
We mourn the deaths of the ~3,000 of 9/11 terrorist attack, NOT your 19 jihadi terrorist swine.
Stop using CHILDREN as Human Shields, as workers to dig tunnel that collapse on them.
“WHICH WAS CONDEMNED UNIVERSALLY BY ALL ISRAELIS”??
Obviously untrue!
Let them howl at the moon for long enough and ye shall know them
Here is a 30 second Youtube of a newsreel from 1941 documenting a meeting between National SOCIALIST SHlTler and his ally, the Grand Mooofti of Jerusalem.
Happy Nakba to Red Ken and his felllow brain-damaged Socialist scum around the World.
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=FviQJesQ7Us
Being called deluded by a Jew hating racist bigot like you is a supreme complimented
You abhor racism? You a Zionist? A supporter of ‘Nation Law’ Israel?
Amazing.
Quack quack
Mike’s just doing his thing. He sees a piece that tells a moving story of the death of one of David’s friends at the hands of Arab terrorists and must put his blockers in place quickly. As ever his mission is to mitigate the risk of greater sympathy for Jews and Israel. It’s totally insincere, hence all the made up nonsense. But none of it needs to be true. It just needs to deflect. It’s a very familiar pattern and is way too crass to really matter much but a job’s a job and with Bellers taking his cut, it does require that he puts a shift in.
I reckon I’ll have the Bellers ‘n Mike’s best bits done in a few weeks. I’m spoilt for choice but its gonna be terrific. Mrs S and Mrs M have already placed their advanced orders.
I’m sure it’ll be an entertaining piece of fiction, Ian. Your imagination knows no bounds, even more creative than David’s blogs.
Oh, the section, “Mike, in his own words ” will be elegant, links back and everything.
That thing you do where you have to check with Bellers how to reply to posts when you’re confused……..there’ll be a fair bit of that.
Your fantasy continues ….
This has been one of your more eclectic threads Mike. In this set of blockers, you’ve had Jesus down as a Palestinian, Frankie Boyle as Irish and those lads that said “Hitler didn’t kill no fuckin’ Jews.” as worthy of your continued support. You’ve even got a few posters to think you’re a real activist with real views worth debating and best of all you got paid your divi for the privilege. Imagine the disappointment if they knew you as I did.
Rather than tipping up to Bellers, I think you should offer David a small slice of your action for allowing you the opportunity. It seems fair. Without him you’d be sat at home alone waiting for Mrs Mike to come home from her ‘trip’.
Farmerboy
Tonight begins the Jewish commemoration to remember the Jews mass murdered in the Nazi Holocaust and genocide agatnst the Jews
I am just wondering how a Jew hating bigot like you is going to make snide, pussalamious comments about these dead Jews, and how you are going to blame the Jews and Israel for this Holocaust?
Why would the Jews and the then imaginary Israel be blamed for the Holocaust, Richard?
17 million died in the Holocaust, an estimated 6 million of them Jewish. The Holocaust was not exclusively directed towards the Jewish people. The Nazis took their opportunity to enact their fantasy of racial purity within their state. Shall not mention Israel’s ambitions in that regard.
Sand nazi and Eurotrash ambitions continue to be thwarted by a strong Israel.
Happy Nakba Sharmuta!
“The Nazis took their opportunity to enact their fantasy of racial purity within their state.”
So Farmer the Holocaust only happened within Germany and Austria? It didn’t happen within Poland, or the Ukraine or France or a few other European countries?
Well Farmer you have answered conclusively the question I put to you above. You are indeed a combination of a, b, and c.
If you want credible evidence to support that conclusion, just look at the content and the intent of your posts on this and other websites.
The Nazis, had they been successful in their proposed annexations, would of course expanded their state (as Israel is intent on also doing so through its military strength).
Farmer I refer you to the last two sentences of my post above
Nothing to see there.
Farmer I forgot you have a severe problem comprehending any post that is written in English and based on historical fact and logic.
You should either stick to reading cartoons or wait until an adult can help you out.
Not the sharpest tool in the toolbox are you Farmer?
You’re rotten you are, Gerald. 😉
“You’re rotten you are, Gerald.”
But, only on my better days.
Some days I’m even unkind to an ignorant, stupid, liar like yourself Farmer. But only on days that end in ‘y’.
Sob …
Mike doesn’t express real opinions here. See his support for the guys that were caught on film ( linked in a previous blog) saying “Hitler didn’t kill no fuckin’ Jews”. Mike likes these sorts of blockers. Bellers gives him permission to post them.
“Mike doesn’t express real opinions here. “?!?
Why would I not? I don’t have to follow set hasbara or risk being labelled as ‘self-hating’.
p.s. think you’re becoming increasingly unstable … seek help.
p.p.s. that’s my real opinion.
Yes, yes. But really, no. Of course it’s not.
Aside from the other nutcases like old Chris, Gabriel and Bellers, who honestly comes out with the bollox that you spout and means it; seriously, jesus was Palestinian, Frankie Boyle is Irish, ” Hitler didn’t kill no fuckin Jews” 6 million Jews murdered is ‘still far less heinous’ than Jews killing an Arab to defend their border. You’ve said all this stuff and I think that its only charitable to write it off as part of your job.
Now, off you pop to ask Bellers how you need to reply.
Seems that you’re intentionally dishonest or you have serious mental issues.
Hurry up with the comic strip.
Self-defining as a comic is an interesting change of pace for you Mike. Still, I’ve seen Bellers try gags so why not?
We observe Holocaust Memorial Day today. As a guy that defends fellas that say “Hitler didn’t kill no fuckin’ Jews”, this will certainly pass you by so, enjoy your nice warm shower this morning.
Yes, it’s Holocaust Memorial Day today when we think of the 17 million who died to further the ambitions of a vile regime who sought the perverted goal of racial ‘purity’.
Will you be thinking of the 17 million, or only 6 million?
Sharmuta, You’re just upset that the Israelis aren’t the unarmed Jews of WW2.
Happy Nakba!
I miss Jane
Get the band back together Bellers. Chris, Gabriel, Mike, Jane. Perhaps a string quintet. You could play by the gates as the guests arrive. ‘Arbeit Macht Frei’ as they say in the holiday camp game. .
So, even today the Holocaust is material for your humour, Ian?
farmerboy
It is becoming a favourite ploy of Jew Hating Racist Bigots like yourself to try and downplay the Jewish Holocaust
Quoting 17 million
Where did you find this number; in a David Irving book or Der Sturmer ?
6 million Jews approximately were murdered in the Holcaust
6 million non-Jews approximately were murdered in the Nazi genocide
50 million people approximately died in the entire Second World War (all theatre of conflict and occupation)
Hitler said over and over again that he would ‘solve the Jewish question’ by ridding Europe of its Jews
He industrialized the attempted annihilation of the Jews; the only time in human history that this has ever been done.
This was specifically directed at the Jews, and Roma.
No other groups but for the Jews and Roma were targeted for annhialation
It is becoming a favourite ploy of Jew Hating Racist Bigots like yourself to try and downplay the Jewish Holocaust
I am asking for sources for your 17 million claim.
You claimed it; don’t therefore ask me to look it up as it is your claim and I have not seen it bandied about until now
You are welcome to your own opinions, but you cannot make up your own facts
Verification please – not obfuscation
There is a US Holocaust museum in NY that puts the figure at 17 million inclusive of Jewish victims, Richard…… AND …https://www.telegraph.co.uk/news/worldnews/europe/germany/9906771/Nazis-may-have-killed-up-to-20m-claims-shocking-new-Holocaust-study.html
But Mike, you defended those guys that said that “Hitler didn’t kill no fuckin’ Jews”.
Seems like your self-definition as a comic is the sincerest thing you’ve said here.
Farmerboy
A single article in a newspaper constitutes verifiable proof
Methinks your standard of proof are very low
Firstly
There is nothing definitive about the larger figures as it was from one study, and which offers no information on methodology and scope of that study
All the figures quoted are very vague, couched in terms of ‘possibly’ and ‘maybe’
Secondly
The figures talk of potential numbers of people killed by the Nazi in their mass murder/genocide.
At no time does it call the estimated 17 million ‘The Holocaust’; what it does say is that it is the ‘Holocaust Museum’ that has undertaken this research.
Because the Holocaust Museum undertakes research, it does not automatically change any or all facts and details about something because it fits your particular viewpoint
Verifiable facts; not just one very vague newspaper article.
A word of advice; don’t take everything you read as fact
Read
Think
Interpret
Speak
You are entitled to your own opinion; you are not entitled to your own facts
The world of Jew hating racist bigots is dominated by irrational ideas and conspiracy theories.
Your choice
This article is dated 2013.
If there was more substance to the theory, there would have been an avalanche of info on the subject
As it stands, there does not seem to much to go on
Is that Gerald approaching Holocaust Denial?
What is Gerald’s holocaust victims figure?
“Is that Gerald approaching Holocaust Denial?”
No Gerald would never approach Holocaust Denial with anything other than complete disgust towards those who propagate such a foul lie.
By the way Farmer whoever told you it would be acceptable for you to attempt to belittle the Holocaust by your mealy-mouthed harping on about other groups killed by the Nazi Regime and their collaborators are, like you, as vile and despicable as the Nazi regime was.
“What is Gerald’s holocaust victims figure?”
The syntax of that, attempt at a, ‘sentence’ is so bad as to be risible.
Your feigned disgust fools no-one, Gerald.
Not Mike that belittles the Holocaust. The Museum estimates that 17 million died, Jewish and non-Jewish. If you deny tht figure, ren’t you an Holocaust denier.
The insult is to deny that non-Jews also died and therefore should not be included in the victims count and mourned.
The Holocaust should be seen as a lesson what one set of humans can do to others. Too often it is used as an exclusively Jewish tragedy to garner sympathy and appeasement for Israeli actions and ambitions.
Got it Mike. So when you defend (or pretend to defend) the guys that said “Hitler didn’t kill no fuckin’ Jews” it was just a tactic; your way of trying to reduce the risk of people sympathizing with Jews and Israel. Good to know. I think I may paste this admission after every one of your posts just so we’re all clear and we reduce the risk of people sympathizing with you. I think this may be our version of making you wear a yellow star for identification purposes. You can bring your own striped pjs.
Ian Kay-creator of ‘Off the shelf admissions’ …. No fitting required.
Farmer as usual you and your repugnant kind cannot help but expose the real reason for their attempts to belittle the Holocaust, whether it is by outright denial or by attempting to query the numbers or your latest failed attempt by showing faux concern for others killed by the Nazi regime.
Here as usual your mask slips and the vile little anti-Semite, that you are, slithers out from behind it.
“Too often it is used as an exclusively Jewish tragedy to garner sympathy and appeasement for Israeli actions and ambitions.”
“Too often it is used as an exclusively Jewish tragedy to garner sympathy and appeasement for Israeli actions and ambitions.”
Stand by that, Gerald.
Several blogs ago David headed his hasbara with choice ‘sound-bites’ one of which was Holocaust, no sentence , just the word.
“Stand by that, Gerald.”
No, Farmer you do not stand anytime or anywhere
A disgusting anti-Semitic reptile such as you and your ilk slithers along the ground.
Whoops….. and the same two questions to Galber. 🙂
When you say ‘holocaust denial’ Mike is that the same as when you defend blokes that said “Hitler didn’t kill any fuckin’ Jews” ?
Asking for my Uncle Leopold.(411329)
How were they defended, Ian?
If you stated “Netanyahu, Begin and Ben Gurion didn’t kill any f***ing Arabs” would you be correct?
Sharmuta, If you stated
“Al Qada, ISIS, Muslim Brotherhood, Taliban, Al Shabab, HamASS, Hezbola, Assad, Saddam, Ayatoolas didn’t kill any f***ing Infidels”
would you be correct?
Sharmuta, who bombed churches in Sri Lanka this past Easter Sunday???
The United States Holocaust Memorial Museum (USHMM), the country’s official memorial to the Holocaust, “The Holocaust was the murder of six million Jews and millions of others by the Nazis and their collaborators during World War II.” The museum puts the total number of murdered during the Holocaust at 17 million: 6 million Jews and 11 million others.
https://encyclopedia.ushmm.org/content/en/article/documenting-numbers-of-victims-of-the-holocaust-and-nazi-persecution
You sound like a Jew hating racist bigot who is incapable of making coherent and intelligent comments
Climb back into your cesspool
Engaging with a Jew hating racist bigot who selectively chooses and misuses statics to denigrate Jews
43 posts from you on this one Mike!
Frightened that your mission to prevent articles like this creating sympathy for Jews and Israel, is failing? You should be.
Did you see the record numbers of international delegates at Auschwitz for the March of the Living yesterday? Your tactics are having the exact opposite effect. Let’s keep them going eh!
So, only Jews perished at Auschwitz and in the Holocaust? Seems David has convinced yourseld then….. as I said.
Perishing in Auschwitz AND in the holocaust. Crickey. They hated Jews so much they genocided us twice!!
Better let The Mike Farmer 3 know. They reckon it didn’t even happen once.
Yows a nutter, Ian.
To quote Bellers “tee hee”
Farmerboy
To the resident Jew hating racist bigot who talks senseless riddles
The Holocaust in and of itself is a uniquely Jewish tragedy
The Genocide of countless millions of people by the Nazis was an unimaginable tragedy.
The mass murder of non-Jews was a heinous crime, and the difference between The Holocaust and Genocide is only a matter of perception.
To Jews, The Holocaust was the most traumatic experience we have ever been subjected to
But Hitler had a pathological hate of the Jews, and tried to eradicate the Jewish race from the face of the earth
His hatred and subsequent actions towards the Jews was unique
I don’t expect Jew hating racist bigots with an obsessive focus on Jews and Israel to understand that. But that is the way it is
Now crawl back into your fetid cesspool and seek the company of your fellow Jew hating racist bigots
Dear,
Dominique was my wife best friend in Israel. My wife is from Germany. They met 1997 in the “Ulpan” in Tel Aviv. They became very good friends. On Oktober 2000 we left Israel. The night before we spent with Dom and other friend of mine. But my wife kept her connection with Dominique.
I remember the day I got an Email from Dom Sister about what have happened. As most of Israelis, I have lost some friends in the army and in Terror attacks. I have never thought, that my German wife will experience it as well. It was a terrible day for us.
Back then we have been Lefties. Since then things have changed. We believe in strong Israel and support it everywhere.
Today is “Yom HaZikaron” for the fallen soldiers of Israel and for its terror victims. My wife search something about Dominique and came to this article.
Thank you for it!
Dominique was our waitress that night – may her name forever be a blessing